好消息！5月10日挪威HEGEL总设计师Bent Holter亲临广州与烧友交流

Bent_Holter

原帖由 fpe60 于 2011-5-5 11:02 AM 发表
我问个问题：
阿BENT对AES/EBU如何看待？HD10/20都没有考虑设置AES/EBU接口的原因是什么？

AES/EBU interface is for professional applications that use very long digital cables. Because of the very advanced jitter reduction techniques used in HD10 and HD20 there is no better sound with AES/EBU than with SPDIF for the Hegel HD10 or HD20 products. This has been verified by very precise Audio Precision 2722 jitter measurements in Hegel Laboratory. So Hegel has decided there is no point in adding AES/EBU input when it does not bring improved sound compared to SPDIF.

译文：AES/EBU是用于专业用途的长距离传输。由于HD 10/HD 20使用了非常先进的时基误差消除技术，所以使用AES/EBU不会比使用SPDIF同轴更好声。这已经在HEGEL的实验室里，被非常精密的AUDIO PRECISION 2722时基误差测量仪证明了这一点。所以HEGEL决定不增加AES/BU输入端口，因为它不会比SPDIF更好声。

Bent_Holter

原帖由 文员一个 于 2011-5-5 02 PM 发表
一直关注HEGEL的产品，这个活动实在太好了！

我来问第三个问题：

为什么HD2/HD20要采用USB同步技术，而不是采用异步技术进行降低抖动（jitter）的处理？

期待阿Bent的回答。

With the special Hegel jitter reduction technology there is no point in using asynyncronus USB transfer. Precise jitter measurements by Audio Precision 2722 show that jitter level of Hegel HD2, HD10 and HD20 is same or better than world reference Ayre QB9 that is using asyncronous USB interface. This jitter measurement show that when jitter reduction is done in the special Hegel way jitter is not anymore a problem for USB or SPDIF digital transfered signals.

译文：由于使用独特的时基误差消除技术，所以HEGEL没有必要在USB端口使用异步传输。精确的AP 2722测试仪显示HD 2/HD 10/HD 20的时基误差水平已经和著名的AYRE QB9一样甚至更加优胜。时基误差测量表明当HEGEL用独特的手段消除JITTER时，那么用USB方式还是用SPDIF方式来传输数字就不再是一个问题。

Bent_Holter

原帖由 cyblggogo 于 2011-5-6 04 PM 发表
有了H100和HD10，俺还没找到个合适的转盘，我想知道HEGEL会出转盘吗？出一个,产品线不就一条龙啦。

Never.

译文：HEGEL永不会出转盘。

Bent_Holter

原帖由 小陈 于 2011-5-7 09:19 AM 发表
我也来凑凑热闹，想问一下阿Bent

由于Windows系统对USB的限制，Hegel有否专门针对PC系统，开发自有驱动，从而让HD2等产品支持更高采样率（24/192）的打算？或者对于DAC的可编程模块，有什么想法？

No. HD2 USB interface is restricted to 96k / 24bit. There is really no benefit from using 192k / 24 bit interface with HD2. Having 192k interface is a "numbers game", it will not really give better sound for HD2. Programmable DAC ?

译文：不会。HD 2的USB界面被限制为96K HZ/24 BIT。对于HD 2来说使用192K/24BIT界面并不会带来任何好处。192K/24BIT只是一个数字游戏，它不会真正给HD 2带来好声。可编程的DAC？

Bent_Holter

原帖由 gdcht 于 2011-5-7 06:28 PM 发表
我的问题：
1。用HD 20 DAC 接 CDP 4A 的音效是否比CDP 4A 有提升？如有的话有哪些改善？
2。HEGEL 有无计划推新的CD机？

1.Yes. My personal opinion is that combination ofd CDP4Amk2 and HD20 is better than CDP4Amk2.
2. Hegel general policy is to not comment on possible future products. Hegel will produce CD/players as long as we can get CD/player parts like laser heads and loaders.

译文：
1、是的。我个人意见是CDP 4AMK 2加HD 20的组合会比CDP 4AMK 2更好声。
2、HEGEL总体策略是不会评论未来产品的前景。只要能获得CD机的部件例如光头、机芯，HEGEL就将继续生产CD机。

fpe60

原帖由 Bent_Holter 于 2011-5-10 01:17 PM 发表


AES/EBU interface is for professional applications that use very long digital cables. Because of the very advanced jitter reduction techniques used in HD10 and HD20 there is no better sound with A ...

perfect!I think the hd10/20 are the best choise for me,thank you very much!

Bent_Holter

原帖由 面包超人 于 2011-5-8 10:02 PM 发表
我的问题是：

根据传闻：BENT先生从来不会错过任何一场摇滚音乐会，这是否是HEGEL解码器或HEGEL产品，重视动态、细节和力度表现的主要原因？中国很多烧友希望中国产品的设计师多点去聆听现场，以确保他们的产品更 ...

Good question! It is absolutely necessary to have live music references when designing high qualkity audio products. Without a good knowledge of live music, there is absolutely impossible to know what is the true sound of musical instruments and voices. My background is as musician in many rock bands so dynamics, details and true live reproduction is important for me. i ALSO WORKED A LOT WITH LIVE CONCERT SOUND MIXING FOR MAJOR NORWEGIAN BANDS and international artists liek Jerry Lee Lewis and The Dunbliners. So I know exactly how should live music sound.

译文：好问题！当设计意见高品质的产品时绝对需要聆听现场音乐的必要性。如果对现场音乐没有认识，那就绝不可能知道真实的乐器和人声是怎样的。我有作为多场摇滚乐队演奏者的经历，所以动态、细节和现场感对我来说是重要的。我也曾担任过挪威主流乐队及国际知名艺人如JERRY LEE LEWIS、THE DUNBLINERS现场演唱会的混音工作，所以我非常知道真实的音乐应该是怎样的。

mcqueen

你好，Bent，我是H200的用家，音箱是Chario Pegasus，感觉声音比较大气，从容，细腻，纯净。这也是我对HEGEL一直以来的印象。不知道以后HEGEL的声音风格会有所转变吗？例如温暖、华丽、甜美一点。

[ 本帖最后由 mcqueen 于 2011-5-10 11:12 PM 编辑 ]

Bent_Holter

原帖由 kkman2002 于 2011-5-9 12:59 PM 发表
期待BENT的到来。问题比较多，比较关心HEGEL关于数码产品的一些思路、计划和动态：

1、HD2解码器为什么采取USB供电，而不使用独立电源？What Hifi曾经在HD2上使用超过3米的USB线出现故障，这点是否证明了通过PC主 ...

1. The only reason the use USB-power is to keep cost down. Hegel always want to make cost effective products, to give as good cost preformance as possible. We have never experienced problems with long USB-cables and HD2. But of course the computer power supplu and USB output driver internal in computer can give some problems if USB-power of computer is lower than normal. In this case problems with 3m cabel of What Hifi must be because of bad computer.
使用USB供电的唯一理由是为了降低成本。HEGEL总是想制造性价比尽可能高的产品。我没从未遇到HD 2在使用长USB线时会产生任何问题。当然，如果电脑的USB电源供应是比正常低的话，那么电脑的电源供应及电脑内部的USB输出驱动器会产生一些问题。在这种情况下不好的电脑使用3米长的USB线也会产生问题。

2. HD2 use one crystal oscillator for USB-interface and one crystal oscillator for master clock. This is th ebest possible solution for high quality sound. The master clock of HD2 is extremely stabel with very low jitter.
HD 2给USB界面使用了一枚晶振，给主时钟使用了一枚晶振。这是获得好声音的最佳解决方案。HD 2的主时钟及其稳定，时基误差极低。

3.All USB audio intercase use USB1.1 or USB2.0. 192k / 24bit can be transferred using USB 2.0
所有USB界面使用USB 1.1或USB 2.0，USB 2.0 可传输192K/24BIT数字讯号。

4. There are many upgrades for HD20:
1. User interface: display, remote control, computer playlist control,built in preamp volume control
2. New USB-interface with lower jitter and 96k / 24bit
3. New current to voltage converters after DAC-IC
4. New analog filters and audio output drivers
5. New low noise power supply for DAC-IC and Master clock, gives lower jitter
6. New Coax1 digital input circuit. The Coax1 input will correct for impedance problems of "75 ohm" digital cables. 75 ohm digital cables using RCA plugs are really not true 75 ohm cables. This gives jitter problems. Hegel has found a clever way of correcting the 75 ohm impedance problems, and this new solution is implemented for coax1 input of HD20.
Generally the above changes gives a higher dynamic range, more clear sound and much lower jitter levels.
The new Coax1 digital input circuit have about 50% of the sound improvement, and the other 50% of improvement is because of point 3, 4 and 5.

HD 20有许多改良：
1、有显示屏、遥控、电脑播放列表遥控、内置前级音量控制；
2、全新的低时基误差USB界面，可接受96K/24BIT讯号；
3、DAC后面使用了新的I/V转换芯片；
4、全新的模拟滤波器及音频输出驱动器；
5、使用噪声更低的电源给解码芯片和主时钟供电，从而获得更低的时基误差；
6、全新的COAX 1数字输入电路。COAX 1输入会修正数码线的75欧阻抗问题。使用RCA插头的数码线很多时候并不是真正的75欧，这样会带来时基误差的问题。HEGEL发现一种修正75欧阻抗的好方法，就用在HD 20的COAX 1输入端口；
上述的改良令HD 20有更大动态，更清晰的声音和更低的时基误差。

5. No. Hegel thinks using a computer or for example a squeezebox touch is a more cost effective solution, giving the same sound quality.
不，HEGEL认为使用电脑或SQUEEEBOX TOUCH会是一种更超值的解决方案，也获得同样的音质。

6 No. Hegel thinks todays wireless transfer systems is not good enough for high quality sound. There are to much interference from other transmitters and too much jitter problems. Maybe there will be available better wireless solutions for transfer of HD audio later, let's hope so! Hegel products already have USB-inputs, SPDIF coax inputs and Optical SPDIF inputs. These are the most popular digital inputs. If the end user want to connect IPOD then he can buy a low cost docking station and connect the docking station to the SPDIF coax input.  
不，HEGEL认为今天的无线传输系统的音质仍不够好。传输器会受很多因素干扰并引入太多的时基误差。可能以后会有更好的HD音频无线传输方案，让我们拭目以待。HEGEL的产品已经有USB、SPDIF、光纤输入，这些都是最流行的数字输入方式。如果终端用户想连接IPOD，它可以买个便宜的插机座，然后通过机座和解码器的同轴输入连接。

7. For Hegel CAS is important and gives us good chance to show the technical capabilities of Hegel design team. Designing DAC products is a daunting task, and only by combining many different and advanced fields within electronics it is possibel to make very good DACs. However Hegel being very strong within CAS and DACs does not mean that Hegel will stop making very good analog amplifiers. Hegel will continue producing very high quality integrated amplifiers, preamplifiers and power amplifiers. In the future Hegel will also make more products combining analog amplifiers with high quality digital inputs.
对于HEGEL来说，CAS是重要的，并且给我们更好的机会以展示HEGEL设计团队的技术可行性。设计解码器是一项艰巨的任务，只有集合许多不同领域人员和先进的技术才能做出一台很好的解码器。然而HEGEL在DAC/CAS方面的优势并不意味着它会停止生产很好的模拟放大器。HEGEL将继续生产优质的合并机、前级和后级。未来HEGEL将制造更多带数字输入的模拟放大器。

Bent_Holter

原帖由 米其林 于 2011-5-9 02:25 PM 发表
我的第二个问题是：HEGEL的功放机和CD机产地是不是挪威？因为有传闻说北京欧博的生产线上有代工HEGEL的产品。

We can very much understand the question, because these days many audio companies buy OEM-products from outside suppliers.
Hegel does NOT buy any OEM-designs or OEM-products. All Hegel products are all 100% developed in-house by Hegel in Norway, and are therefore genuine Hegel products, Hegel products are NOT OEM-products from outside suppliers.

译文：我们很理解这个问题，因为现在很多音响公司购买外部供应商的OEM产品。HEGEL没有购买任何OEM产品。所有HEGEL产品均在挪威研发，是真正的HEGEL产品，HEGEL产品不是外部供应商的OEM产品。