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标题: 我一直是艺康斯的忠实客户, 购买了(大红和大师)!! [打印本页]

作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-9 09:03 PM
标题: 我一直是艺康斯的忠实客户, 购买了(大红和大师)!!
我一直是艺康斯的忠实客户, 购买了(大红和大师)!!
我非常沮丧地于网上发现关 ECOSSE(艺康斯)设计和制造,??
http://translate.google.com.tw/translate?hl=zh-TW&sl=en&tl=zh-CN&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.head-fi.org%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F411705%2Fecosse-cables-uk-made-seems-more-like-china-made
我要问?? 网上 所描述的事。希望能澄清我这个问题??
作者: 米其林    时间: 2011-5-9 09:32 PM
这个不足为奇,材料是其它国家的,在英国加工成品。稀土就是这样啊。
作者: jxjdz    时间: 2011-5-9 10:16 PM
什么材料 不必深究,,只要出来的声音,是你想要的,
那就够了,,

不见得 上万元的线材 就适用在您的 系统上,
寻求 自己所好,就行了。。
作者: 我不相信    时间: 2011-5-10 01:03 PM
网站打唔开。
作者: zmalan    时间: 2011-5-10 05:27 PM
网站打不开,艺康斯是从英国运过来的。。。。。。。。 。。。
作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-10 07:37 PM
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/411705/ecosse-cables-uk-made-seems-more-like-china-made

Ecosse电缆 - 英国制造?
Seems more like
似乎更喜欢
China Made...
中国制造...
和雅所有,
I'm new to this forum and have wanted to make this post for quite some time, however due to my busy schedule I had only been able to get off my bum a moment ago and finally pen out this thread regarding Ecosse Cables.
我是新来这个论坛,一直想为这个职位相当长的一段时间,但由于我在百忙之中我只能够下车刚才我屁股,终于出这对于Ecosse电缆线笔。

Allow me to begin with an E-Mail I had received from Ecosse.
首先请允许我与电子信箱收到我从Ecosse。
Back in December I had asked Ecosse where their cables were designed and manufactured and this was their response; " Ecosse cables are designed and manufactured in our factory in uk. The materials are sourced from all over the world " (unedited quote) .
早在12月我曾问他们的电缆被Ecosse在设计和制造,这是他们的回应,“Ecosse电缆厂的设计和制造我们在英国的世界。材料是从全国各地采购 ”(未编辑引号)。

It is perfectly understandable to me that raw materials these days come from pretty much everywhere...
这是完全可以理解,我认为这些天来几乎无处不在的原料...
so I have positive understanding towards any company which obtains raw materials from another country (China, for example) but does design, processing, assembly, etc, back in their factory wherever it may be (in the case of Ecosse, they claim it to be in the United Kingdom).
所以我对任何公司获得来自另一个国家(中国等)的原料,但并设计,加工,组装等,早在他们的工厂无论它可能是(在Ecosse情况下,他们宣称它正面理解英国定)。

However, I am beginning to have doubts with respect to the claims which have been made by Ecosse.
不过,我开始有对于已经由Eco​​sse提出的要求表示怀疑。

Late last year I had purchased one of their newer speaker cables - the Ecosse MS4.7 Bi-Wire Speaker Cable (you may gather more details about this cable here and for your own reference you can access the main website for Ecosse here ).
去年年底我买他们的一个新的扬声器电缆-铋的Ecosse MS4.7线喇叭线(您可能会聚集更多的细节该电缆在这里为你的参考,您可以访问主网站的Ecosse 这里 )。

Not long after my purchase of this over-1,000 US$ cable I had decided to do my own personal modifications to the cable as I found that their (Ecosse's) build quality of this particular cable was far from brilliant (this is the first time I ever had build quality issues with cables I had purchased from Ecosse).
不久后,我购买此过1,000美元,有线电视我决定做我自己个人的修改,电缆,因为我发现他们(Ecosse的)建立这种特殊电缆的质量是远远辉煌(这是我第一次曾经与我建立了从Ecosse购买)电缆质量问题。
Part of what I wanted to do with the cable involved the removal of the main sheath which was covering the two cables within the bi-wire set, and this is when things started to get somewhat "interesting".
我想做什么就做电缆部分涉及的主要是覆盖在护套的双向设置两条电缆线搬迁,这是当事情开始变得有点“有趣”。


(After I first cut the sheath open near the beginning of the cable)
(当我第一次切割电缆的护套打开附近的开始)
作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-10 07:37 PM
请注意,我没有任何照片电缆事先到我的切割工作,直到我本来没有采取任何期望。
The surprises which I uncovered were what originally prompted me to take my camera out and start going happy on the shutter-release button (: ...
发现的惊喜,我原本是什么促使我把我的相机出来,开始准备(快乐的快门释放按钮:...

The first thing I noticed was this; the blue bit at the right on the cable stopper which reads "NeoTech" was originally covered up with an Ecosse sticker, the NeoTech logo was only visible after the sticker was removed.
我首先注意到的是这一点;在电缆上的塞子其内容右边的蓝色位“NeoTech”原本覆盖着一Ecosse贴起来,NeoTech标志是唯一可见的贴纸后,被删除。
NeoTech if memory serves me right is also a audio cable manufacturing company (based in Taiwan though) which also does "single crystal copper" cable, a cable processing technique also used by Ecosse (though Ecosse calls it "monocrystal").
NeoTech如果记错的话也是一个音频电缆制造公司(虽然在台湾的)也没有“单结晶铜”电缆,电缆加工技术也用于Ecosse(虽然Ecosse称之为“单晶”)。

My first thoughts were, "Okay, it's just on the cable stopper... so maybe Ecosse had simply gotten their cable stoppers from NeoTech. Time to move on and see what else I can uncover..."
我最初的想法是:“好吧,这只是在电缆塞...所以也许E​​cosse只是简单地得到来自NeoTech的有线瓶塞。继续前进的时候,看看还有什么我可以发现...”
- So this was when I decided to fully strip the outer sheath away from the full run of cable, and uncovered this:
- 是那么这个时候,我决定完全剥离的电缆外护套完整的运行距离,而发现这样的:


(Note the text "SGSCC-1" on the black cable)
(注文本“SGSCC - 1”的黑色电缆)

I had then noticed that the black cable contained zero Ecosse branding.
我当时发现,黑线中零Ecosse品牌。
All it had was the text "SGSCC-1 SINGLE CRYSTAL COPPER - 99.999%"...
它是所有文本“SGSCC - 1单晶铜 - 99.999 %"...
Kinda odd I thought, since I've never bumped into a cable manufacturer who fails to include branding on their cables.
我觉得有点儿奇怪,因为我从来没有成为一个电缆制造商谁不包括他们的电缆品牌互相碰撞。
So out of my curiosity I had fired up Google and started searching on the mystery "SGSCC-1" text which I found on the cable.
因此,出于我的好奇心我已经炒了谷歌,开始对神秘的“SGSCC - 1”的文字,我发现在电缆上搜索。
Lo-and-Behold, a good number of China-based results were the first to show up on Google...
卢和-看哪,一个中国为基础的结果,相当数量的人是首先出现在谷歌注册...
and eventually, I stumbled into this link.
最终,我一头栽进这个链接。

-> Description: mono crystal Copper Wire
- >“ 描述:单晶铜线材
-> Model No.: SGSCC-1
“ - > 型号:SGSCC - 1
-> Brand Name: Everyoung
- >“ 品牌名称:
-> Country of Origin: China
- 原产 > 国家:中国

This has prompted me to believe that Ecosse pretty much doesn't even design nor manufacture their cables (or at least "some" of their cables) in-house back in the UK at all but rather just purchase their cables in bulk from Everyoung and slap some cheap sheath over the cable with "Ecosse" written on it.
这促使我相信Ecosse几乎甚至没有设计或制造的电缆(或者至少是“部分”的电缆)内部在英国所有,而是回到了刚刚购买的扬和散装的电缆拍了一些与“Ecosse”电缆护套上写着便宜。
And as stated previously, the fact that the cable stoppers are branded as NeoTech doesn't exactly instill a lot more confidence either.
而且如前所述,认为电缆制动器为NeoTech不完全灌输更多的信心不是品牌的事实。

By this time, I was a little ticked off that Ecosse may have possibly lied to me, so off I went to inspect the cable with a little more detail to reveal where the other olive coloured cable came from...
到这个时候,我有点列举了可能的Ecosse可能骗我,所以我去检查过了更多的细节透露,如果另一方来自橄榄有色电缆电缆...


(Yeah, at least this cable appears to be from Ecosse... though the wrong one)
(是的,至少这似乎是电缆从Ecosse ...虽然错一)
作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-10 07:39 PM
如果你读了MS4.7扬声器电缆的Ecosse文学的我在这里你会注意到,Ecosse广告电缆线)的两个组成搁浅(Ecosse MS2.4)和固体内核(MS2.15。
No-where was an Ecosse MS2.3 cable mentioned, but here I am looking at one on my table-top.
无地方是Ecosse MS2.3电缆提到,但在这里我在我的台式找工作。
I could only assume that the thick black Everyoung SGSCC-1 cable was meant to be Ecosse's so-called "MS2.4" cable, and therefore the olive cable should have been a MS2.15 solid-core cable, but it wasn't...
我只能假设浓黑扬SGSCC - 1电缆的意思是Ecosse所谓的“MS2.4”电缆,因此,橄榄电缆是MS2.15实芯电缆,但它不是...
rather it was a MS2.3 stranded conductor cable.
相反,它是一个MS2.3绞线电缆。

To confirm my doubts, I had actually cut open the two (both the black and olive) cables, and yes, both cables were stranded conductors, no solid-core cable as per Ecosse's cable literature was to be found (according to Ecosse; at least one of the two cables in the Ecosse MS4.7 Bi-Wire Speaker Cable set are supposed to have been a solid core conductor).
为了证实我的疑虑,我实际上已切开的两个(包括黑色和橄榄)电缆,是的,两种电缆的绞线,没有按Ecosse的电缆文学实心电缆被被发现(根据Ecosse;在至少有两条电缆中的一个Ecosse MS4.7碧线喇叭线设置都应该是一个实心导线)。

So, lets come up with a short Ecosse Cable FAQ checklist now...
因此,让我们拿出一个短Ecosse电缆常见问题清单现在...

-> Ecosse cables designed in the UK? Maybe, but unlikely.
- Ecosse电缆不大可能出现,但设计了 > 英国吗?或许,。
-> Ecosse cables made in the UK? Unlikely.
- >“Ecosse电缆,由在英国不可能吗?。
-> Ecosse cables made as per product literature? Definitely not.
- >“Ecosse电缆,由按产品说明书没有肯定。

The fact that the black cable (as visible in the second photo above) has "SGSCC-1" written on it (an Everyoung product) and absolutely no Ecosse branding on it simply makes the cable shout out "Made in China"...
事实上,黑线(如在第二张照片上可见)有“SGSCC - 1”写在它(一扬产品),绝对没有Ecosse品牌它只是使电缆大喊“中国制造”...
and this has caused my confidence in Ecosse Cables to crash down to the ocean floor.
这已引起了我的信心崩溃Ecosse电缆下到海底。

Does anyone share the same opinion as my self with regards to what I had uncovered?
有没有人分享​​我的问候为我所发现自己同样的看法?
Feel free to share your opinions, I'd be more than interested to have a look at the point of view of others in this forum.
随时分享你的意见,我会比有更感兴趣的其他人在查看此论坛点看看。
作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-10 07:40 PM
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作者: takchan01    时间: 2011-5-10 07:54 PM
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作者: LG    时间: 2011-5-10 09:02 PM
网站可以打开了。
作者: qbh    时间: 2011-5-10 10:37 PM
国产的?不可能吧。。。。。
作者: wangjue522    时间: 2011-5-10 11:01 PM
台湾的也有可能,很多贵价线材都由neotech万隆代工,品质可放心。
作者: 我不相信    时间: 2011-5-11 11:51 AM
唔系呱,咁都有。
作者: bestforwarder    时间: 2011-5-11 12:36 PM
不会吧,万隆+EVERYANG?有点夸张了
作者: qbh    时间: 2011-5-11 01:09 PM
版主 出来给个说法?俺的大师线不会是国产的吧
作者: jp    时间: 2011-5-11 02:20 PM
有些线基在台湾生产也不奇怪,很多名线现在也在台湾生产了。关键是设计师能调出好声,然后由有实力的厂家根据设计师要求能做出相应的产品,这样我们发烧友就有耳福了。
作者: luhui    时间: 2011-5-11 03:23 PM
就是嘛JP版主早就该发言了,大红线的确是好线啊
作者: juncool    时间: 2011-5-11 10:57 PM
呵呵,刚刚订了MS2.3,准备做双线
作者: qingping1953    时间: 2011-5-12 09:59 AM
昌业应该明确告知ECOSSE(艺康斯)中那些型号(成品或散线)是英国本土生产的,哪些不是,以使消费者释疑。
作者: jp    时间: 2011-5-12 11:08 AM
原帖由 qingping1953 于 2011-5-12 09:59 AM 发表
昌业应该明确告知ECOSSE(艺康斯)中那些型号(成品或散线)是英国本土生产的,哪些不是,以使消费者释疑。

我们所知道的就是所有的ECOSSE线材从英国原装进口,有完整的关单和税单。
作者: qbh    时间: 2011-5-12 11:33 AM
应该是国内代工,然后完全出口英国,再转内销。也有可能直接到国内厂家拿货,这样可以减免一些费用。
国内厂家也有可能是台湾人独资,由艺康斯英国本土厂家提供技术提炼而成。

不过。。。线材做工声音确实好,素质一流。
中国是世界的工厂,如今世界没有不是中国产的

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作者: jp    时间: 2011-5-12 11:47 AM
原帖由 qbh 于 2011-5-12 11:33 AM 发表
应该是国内代工,然后完全出口英国,再转内销。也有可能直接到国内厂家拿货,这样可以减免一些费用。
国内厂家也有可能是台湾人独资,由艺康斯英国本土厂家提供技术提炼而成。

不过。。。线材做工声音确实好,素 ...

没有根据的猜测还是少一些好,还是专心听音乐吧。
作者: 华贵打火机1    时间: 2011-5-12 12:20 PM
标题: H200同城玩友
jp所言及是.我买过音响哲学h200及cdp2aCD机.南京这里不做此产品的音响老板几乎是一致说:这个那能听.是XX的代工品:具体问他同价位的东西比它好的拿出来听听.这时候他们就介绍一些贵的多的东西来.好在一开始我就正确选择没改变.谁都知道钱多会有好东西.就看同价钱的你喜欢谁!最不愿任何人都说自己好.别人就...........?
     在目前市场上有像音响哲学这样价格.这样表现的产品真不多.个人听感除外的话.还真沒有什么同价的功放把H200PK掉.我十分自信自已的听力.      玩音响论以个人能力取乐去享受音乐.而不是比拼器材的豪贵!
作者: 米其林    时间: 2011-5-12 01:00 PM
标题: 标题
华贵叔所言有理 
作者: 王白石    时间: 2011-5-12 02:09 PM
华贵兄言之有理。我觉得昌业代理的产品,音响哲学也好、音乐之旅也好、艺康斯也好,等等,都较有口碑,性价比也较高。
我用ECI-3,朋友用翩美,几年来,他老说各有千秋云云,我认为这是各人的感受而已。来我家听多了,听久了,最近至少听到他说三次,要我多留意是否有二手的ECI-3,我说这个品牌的二手也不是好找的。
还有,不久前,杨姓朋友被钟君带到我家听歌剧之声,赞歌剧之声后还要我换上昌业CD-1,他说CD-1实声、细腻、干净,他给CD-1较高的评价。
作者: 华贵打火机1    时间: 2011-5-12 02:31 PM
标题: H200同城玩友
白石兄的介绍很客观.我们说昌业的产品好.这主要指产品质量和价格性价比好.符合能接受这个价位的消费群体.接受昌业产品正确指导.介绍.让消费者放心的服务.这个好很重要!
    要说音响好的器材海印广场多得是.昌业的产品算是大众化了.所以所有的东西好的表达是在一定范围内的.非说我唱歌比殷浩好.哈哈!那就脱离实际了.穷人的快乐和富人的快乐感觉不_样的.对好的感觉各人也不同的.像俺拥有现在的音响感觉就很知足.很满意.很好啦!
作者: juncool    时间: 2011-5-12 02:54 PM
发烧友对这个比较敏感了,实际上现在日本的所有家电,不是在国内产就是东南亚,基本买不到日本原装的了,就是上万一台的尼康单反,也是泰国产的多。




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